Comments on: Vista’s UAC security prompt was designed to annoy you http://weblog.sinteur.com/2008/04/vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you/ si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:26:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-RC1 hourly 1 By: Roland Hesz http://weblog.sinteur.com/2008/04/vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you/comment-page-1/#comment-24869 Roland Hesz Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:10:43 +0000 http://weblog.sinteur.com/?p=23011#comment-24869 Well, as a developer I can only agree with you. Developers should do the hard work, not the users. (And I am sort of fed up with the "but that's difficult to do" argument, that's why they are paid, but I am getting off topic) As for the UAC, that was the first thing I turned off on my Vista, because it is a really annoying feature, so I can't be sure, but as I remember you could cancel it, and carry on. I agree with you on the point of the UAC has been implemented in an awful way, but then, what do you expect when the general attitude toward users is "they are just stupid". And that is true to Linux, Mac, Windows, AS/400 and about every developer community. Except a for a few, who I greatly respect for that. Well, as a developer I can only agree with you. Developers should do the hard work, not the users. (And I am sort of fed up with the “but that’s difficult to do” argument, that’s why they are paid, but I am getting off topic)
As for the UAC, that was the first thing I turned off on my Vista, because it is a really annoying feature, so I can’t be sure, but as I remember you could cancel it, and carry on.

I agree with you on the point of the UAC has been implemented in an awful way, but then, what do you expect when the general attitude toward users is “they are just stupid”. And that is true to Linux, Mac, Windows, AS/400 and about every developer community. Except a for a few, who I greatly respect for that.

]]> By: John Sinteur http://weblog.sinteur.com/2008/04/vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you/comment-page-1/#comment-24863 John Sinteur Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:21:37 +0000 http://weblog.sinteur.com/?p=23011#comment-24863 I know, and you have a point. However - the difference is that on Unix based systems, the separation of privileges has been built in from the start, and users run everything with limited privileges. On windows, this was bolted on retrospectively and they're trying to enforce it by annoying the wrong person. If they annoyed the developers about it from the start, you'd probably end up with something like the way Mac OS "annoys" you when it needs privilege escalation. And here's another difference between UAC and my Mac - if something on Mac OS needs higher privileges and asks me for my password, I can ignore it, switch to another application and continue using my computer until I decide it's time to deal with the app that needs the privilege. What I've seen in Vista is that everything basically stops until you deal with it. I know, and you have a point. However - the difference is that on Unix based systems, the separation of privileges has been built in from the start, and users run everything with limited privileges. On windows, this was bolted on retrospectively and they’re trying to enforce it by annoying the wrong person. If they annoyed the developers about it from the start, you’d probably end up with something like the way Mac OS “annoys” you when it needs privilege escalation.

And here’s another difference between UAC and my Mac - if something on Mac OS needs higher privileges and asks me for my password, I can ignore it, switch to another application and continue using my computer until I decide it’s time to deal with the app that needs the privilege. What I’ve seen in Vista is that everything basically stops until you deal with it.

]]> By: Roland Hesz http://weblog.sinteur.com/2008/04/vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you/comment-page-1/#comment-24862 Roland Hesz Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:14:43 +0000 http://weblog.sinteur.com/?p=23011#comment-24862 And that is not aimed at you John, just a general observation about people, who seems to hate Windows just because it is Windows. Should we call that OSism? :) And that is not aimed at you John, just a general observation about people, who seems to hate Windows just because it is Windows. Should we call that OSism? :)

]]> By: Roland Hesz http://weblog.sinteur.com/2008/04/vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you/comment-page-1/#comment-24861 Roland Hesz Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:13:02 +0000 http://weblog.sinteur.com/?p=23011#comment-24861 I just wonder if people hate UAC, then why some people think they will switch to Linux, where you have the same annoying feature? So, if it annoys you in Ubuntu, then it's a "secure, stable platform helping you to stay that way", if it annoys you in Windows it's a "stupid annoying hateful thing". There is a word, starts with h, and ends with ypocrite. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I just wonder if people hate UAC, then why some people think they will switch to Linux, where you have the same annoying feature?
So, if it annoys you in Ubuntu, then it’s a “secure, stable platform helping you to stay that way”, if it annoys you in Windows it’s a “stupid annoying hateful thing”. There is a word, starts with h, and ends with ypocrite.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

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