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Richard Nixon Tapes Transcripts
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John Ehrlichman∇: [c00207] On the health business–
President Nixon: Yeah.
Ehrlichman: We have now narrowed down the Vice President’s [Spiro Agnew∇] problems on this thing to one issue.
President Nixon: Yeah.
Ehrlichman: And that is whether we should include these health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser’s Permanente thing. The Vice President just cannot see it. We tried 15 ways from Friday to explain it to him and then help him to understand it. He finally says, “Well, I don’t think they’ll work, but if the President thinks it’s a good idea, I’ll support him a hundred percent.”
President Nixon: Well, what’s the judgment?
Ehrlichman: Well, everybody else’s judgment, very strongly, is that we go with it.
President Nixon: All right.
Ehrlichman: And he’s the one holdout that we have in the whole office.
President Nixon: Say that–I’d tell him I have doubts about it, but I think that it’s . . . Now, let me ask you . . . now you give me your judgment. You know I’m not too keen on any of these damn medical programs.
Ehrlichman: This . . . let me, let me tell you how I [unclear]–
President Nixon: [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: This is a–
President Nixon: I don’t [unclear].
Ehrlichman: –private enterprise one.
President Nixon: Well, that appeals to me.
Ehrlichman: Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can do it–I had Edgar Kaiser come in talk to me about this, and I went into it in some depth. All of the incentives are toward less medical care, because–
President Nixon: [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: –the less care they give them, the more money they make.
President Nixon: Fine. [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: [Unclear] and the incentives run the right way.
President Nixon: Not bad. [c00339]
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