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Why Susan Linn and the Campaign for a Commercial Free Childhood Terrify Child Advertisers

Posted on February 4th, 2012 at 18:35 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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And Kunkel, the University of Arizona professor, says that scientific studies have shown that children under eight cannot understand the persuasive intent of advertising. At a fundamental level, then, advertising to children is simply unfair.


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Health care

Posted on January 24th, 2012 at 15:05 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself


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Study: Quebec ban on fast-food ads reduced consumption of junk food

Posted on January 20th, 2012 at 8:02 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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With mounting concerns over childhood obesity and its associated health risks in the U.S., would a ban on junk-food advertising aimed at children be more effective than the current voluntary, industry-led ban? According to published research from a University of Illinois economist, advertising bans do work, but an outright ban covering the entire U.S. media market would be the most effective policy tool for reducing fast-food consumption in children.


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The Bark Side

Posted on January 19th, 2012 at 13:44 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

I can’t help being bothered by the Imperial March followed by “That’s the power of German engineering”..


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  1. Ha ha ha ha! That whippet at the end, that’s awesome.

  2. Not the first time VW uses the Imperial March:

Gorilla Marketing

Posted on January 10th, 2012 at 16:49 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself


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Adblock Plus (now with Ads!)

Posted on December 12th, 2011 at 13:43 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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usive advertising” option is enabled by default for all users but the ones using privacy filter lists (EasyPrivacy, Fanboy’s Tracking, Adverisity Privacy).

Apparently advertisers can now pay adblock to get whitelisted.

Let me quote a comment from Reddit:

Advertising is like a drunken party crasher. He invariably promises he’ll behave; and even starts out trying in his clumsy way to be non-intrusive. But in the end, he can’t do it — he lives to intrude. In fact he can’t survive unless he does.

So all too soon, he’s banging into the invited guests and loudly interrupting their conversations with a tediously repetitive story about himself. When he’s asked to quiet down, he loudly insists that he’s the life of the party, then lurches over to the buffet at the side of the room to pile most of the table’s contents onto his own plate.

That’s when I need to ask my friend AdBlock to help getting Mr. I’ll Be Non-intrusive out the door…


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  1. Can you support the claim that advertisers are paying to get whitelisted, as opposed to getting whitelisted for conforming to the acceptability guidelines?

  2. Hey John, I noticed you’ve been commenting over there.

    But so far I’ve found no indication that the AdBlock guy takes bribes to whitelist advertisers. And two clicks puts the settings back to where they used to be, blocking everything.

    We’ve debated ads before and we know you (John) and I have pretty different opinions on them. I think this could actually be a great compromise that keeps sites from losing all revenue and keeps users from seeing the distracting ads.

  3. That is not my comment on reddit

  4. Oh sorry, I forgot to add a winky smiley.

Cats with Thumbs

Posted on November 29th, 2011 at 10:31 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself


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  1. ROFLMAO! I had a cat like that once. Unfortunately, Harrison died at the ripe old age of 18+ in 2005. I’m not exactly sure how old he was since we got (found) him in 1988 and was a couple of years old (we think) at the time. He died in 2005. Harrison also had extra digits on each fore-paw, so he was quite adept at things like lifting the toilet seat so he could deposit the dead mice/rats he caught therein… :-)

I’m a PC, I’m a Mac…

Posted on November 25th, 2011 at 8:17 by John Sinteur in category: Apple, If you're in marketing, kill yourself

You know, some people compare the above ad to the Mac vs PC ads that Apple did. There’s subtle difference: the Apple ads was heckling the actual devices – the PC – and this ad is heckling the users of said devices. Does anyone really think it’s smart to insult the people you are trying to win over?


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  1. I wouldn’t compare the two. While both ads heckle the users of the device, this one actually builds on the truth ;)

Please let this not be the future of reading on the web

Posted on November 25th, 2011 at 6:43 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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I keep reminding myself of these words by Jeffery Zeldman:

Most of all, I worry about web users. Because, after ten-plus years of commercial web development, they still have a tough time finding what they’re looking for, and they still wonder why it’s so damned unpleasant to read text on the web — which is what most of them do when they’re online.

The scary thing is that Zeldman wrote that in 1999 (he revised the post slightly in 2005). And many years later the experience of reading text on the web seems to be getting worse, not better. As I wrote in The demise of quality content on the web, I’m worried that the wells of attention are being drilled to depletion by linkbait headlines, ad-infested pages, “jumps” and random pagination, and content that is engineered to be “consumed” in 1 minute or less of quick scanning – just enough time to capture those almighty eyeballs.

As advertising clickthrough rates continue to drop, the ads become more desperate and invasive, and readers are starting to notice and do something about it. I’m doing the majority of my reading in RSS and Instapaper where I can read in peace without being pummeled by distractions.

He has some great example screenshots on that page. But instead of Instapaper, just use AdBlock and RequestPolicy plugins.


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  1. The readability addon on for firefox is also great.

  2. I don’t see ads. Mental block or something. My concern is that Google search is now so infested with trashy results that it is now worth what I pay for it.

  3. @Sue W, there is the adblock+ add on for that. Whenever I use another PC I am always amazed at the mash of crap that most people browse through *shakes head*.

Mobile Safari on LG

Posted on November 24th, 2011 at 13:41 by John Sinteur in category: Apple, If you're in marketing, kill yourself

Let me freeze-frame that for you:

Here are the iPhone and the Optimus browsers side by side:

“LG — None of us actually use our own phones, so we don’t spot mistakes like this until it’s too late.”


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  1. So called “creatives” only know about Apple products, so the mistake was inevitable.

    Just kidding, maybe.

Malls track shoppers’ cell phones on Black Friday

Posted on November 23rd, 2011 at 17:26 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself, Privacy

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Attention holiday shoppers: your cell phone may be tracked this year.

Starting on Black Friday and running through New Year’s Day, two U.S. malls — Promenade Temecula in southern California and Short Pump Town Center in Richmond, Va. — will track guests’ movements by monitoring the signals from their cell phones.

While the data that’s collected is anonymous, it can follow shoppers’ paths from store to store.

The goal is for stores to answer questions like: How many Nordstrom shoppers also stop at Starbucks? How long do most customers linger in Victoria’s Secret? Are there unpopular spots in the mall that aren’t being visited?

[..]

Still, the company is preemptively notifying customers by hanging small signs around the shopping centers. Consumers can opt out by turning off their phones.

Consumers can opt out by not consuming…

Of course, they claim to do this to “improve the shopping experience” which is marketing speak for “shove more ads in your face”

and take a look at the picture with that article: “An anonymous mobile phone survey” sounds, to the average consumer, like maybe you’d be given a number you could call and fill out a survey or answer some questions about your experience in the mall, right? This is disingenuous to say the least.


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Telemarketers, Collectors Could Target Cells Under “Mobile Information Call Act”

Posted on November 22nd, 2011 at 18:42 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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The innocent-sounding “Mobile Information Call Act” would allow all sorts of nuisance calls to cell phones, eating into customers’ costly minutes, Sen. Chuck Schumer warned Sunday.

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“What politician in his right mind would support this?” asked John Berigan, 44, of Park Slope, who uses his cell phone for his real estate business.

“There’s no one in the general public who would want this. “It would seem that some lobbyist in Washington has gotten to [Towns],” he said.

Current law bars telemarketing calls to cell phones unless the customer has given approval. The proposed change would allow prerecorded “informational” calls to be made to cell phones without consent.


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  1. Hey John, could you set up an Asterisk server to make pre-recorded informational calls to congress members’ cell phones asking them to vote for this law? That should kill it.

  2. Probably not – after all, they wrote an exemption for themselves in the do-not-call list, so they’ll just do the same here. They’ll make calls to a politician illegal, which will suit them for other purposes as well..

Meanwhile in Japan….

Posted on November 8th, 2011 at 18:58 by John Sinteur in category: ¿ʞɔnɟ ǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ, If you're in marketing, kill yourself

This is from a commercial for East Japan Railway. Because nothing says “safe, reliable and rapid public transportation” like synchronized ostrich skiing.


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  1. Well, strictly speaking a commercial doens’t *have* to do anything with the product advertised, but it *has* to create a memorable experience. Skiing ostrichs? Synchronized. Now that’s something you remember.
    Plus:

    The TV Commercial titled JAPAN SNOW PROJECT was done by Tugboat advertising agency for product: Snow Leisure Promotion (brand: Japan Snow Project) in Japan. It was released in the Dec 2005.

    SO it is not a commercial for East Japan Railway.

Marketing of Sugary Drinks to Kids and Teens: As Strong as Ever

Posted on November 1st, 2011 at 11:34 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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The health consequences of consuming sugary drinks are well known. It is not surprising, therefore, that groups such as the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Institute of Medicine, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization, and other groups have said that consumption is too high and needs to come down.

What has been missing from this picture is a detailed analysis of how the industry markets these products to the most vulnerable segment of our population: children. It is important to know this in order to help establish government policies on whether children should be protected from this influence, and also test whether the industry is holding true to its promises to market less to this age group.

The beverage industry, dominated by Coca-Cola and PepsiCo, is represented by a trade association called the American Beverage Association (ABA). The beverage companies have made a number of promises that it will market less to children. Coca-Cola, for example, claims they "…will not place any of [their] brands’ marketing in television, radio, and print programming that is primarily directed to children under the age of 12…"

[..]

Our group at the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity at Yale University has just released the most extensive analysis ever of the marketing of sugary drinks to children and teenagers. This new report found that children are exposed to more — not less — advertising for sugary drinks than they were several years ago, and that the companies are finding new and sophisticated ways to reach youth.


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한글자막

Posted on October 12th, 2011 at 8:48 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

Okay, I admit, some advertising is great


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Bridge of Signs

Posted on October 4th, 2011 at 21:22 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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Most people know that Venice has long been threatened by chronic flooding, but in recent years the Queen of the Adriatic has faced a rising tide of a different sort: advertising.

From the Doge’s Palace to St. Mark’s Square to the bittersweet Bridge of Sighs — named for the grief its splendid views once inspired in crossing death row prisoners — immense billboards lit late into the night now mar the city’s most treasured places.

Allegedly built to cover the cost of restoration work in the face of government cutbacks, the ads have brought in around $600,000 per year since 2008 — a fraction of the shortfall — and show no sign of going away any time soon. Their presence prompted a consortium of the world’s leading cultural experts led by the Venice in Peril Fund to air an open letter demanding the city government put a stop to the placards that “hit you in the eye and ruin your experience of one of the most beautiful creations of humankind.” Mayor Giorgio Orsoni, for one, was not moved, saying last year “If people want to see the building they should go home and look at a picture of it in a book.”

Another photo of the now-pitiful Bridge of Sighs

Venice stages its own funeral to mourn population decline

Why are Venetians fleeing, anyway? It’s not due to flooding…

Troubled waters: Paintings show Venice in decline

“Venezia” by flapjax at midnite


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  1. Italy doesn’t have any redeeming features anymore. Let the Vatican and Mafia fight for the few remaining scraps.

The Two Most Dangerous Words in Technology Marketing

Posted on September 17th, 2011 at 0:08 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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"Just wait."

So powerful. So easy to say. So appealing when your current products are behind the curve, and the press and analysts are beating you up about it. You can shut up the critics instantly if you just drop a few hints about the next generation product that’s now in the labs.

So dangerous.

The phrase "just wait" ought to be locked behind glass in the marketing department, like a fire extinguisher, with a sign that says, "Break glass only in emergency." And then you hide the hammer someplace where no one can find it.

Saying "just wait" is dangerous because it invites customers to stop buying your current products. You’re basically advertising against yourself. If your company is under financial or competitive stress, the risk is even greater because people are already questioning your viability.

This danger is especially potent in the tech industry (as opposed to carpeting or detergent) because tech customers worship newness, and they use the Internet aggressively to spread information. One vague hint at a conference in Japan can turn into a worldwide product announcement overnight.


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Court Approves Lawsuit Against Toyota Over Cyberstalking Ad Stunt

Posted on September 13th, 2011 at 8:00 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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A woman who was targeted by Toyota in a creepy, stalker-themed online advertising stunt will be allowed to sue the company, despite the carmaker’s argument that she unknowingly agreed to the whole thing.

Amanda Duick sued Toyota in 2009 over its intrusive “Your Other You” campaign, after she began receiving frightening e-mails over a number of days from a strange man. The man, who had her home address, told her he was on the lam from the law and needed to crash at her place for a bit to hide out with his pit bull, Trigger.

According to a court document (.pdf), “Sebastian Bowler,” who appeared to be a 25-year-old Englishman and soccer fanatic with a drinking problem (based on the MySpace page he sent Duick), told the plaintiff that he was on a cross-country road trip and would be at her house in a few days. After Bowler wrote that he’d run into some trouble at a motel, Duick received an e-mail from someone purporting to be manager of the motel, who included a bill to Duick saying she was responsible for a TV Bowler had smashed.

Duick freaked out over the e-mails before she received a message directing her to a video explaining she’d been punked by Toyota. The video explained that Bowler was a fictional character, and the whole thing had been an elaborate prank — part of an ad campaign for Toyota’s Matrix car.

Unknown to Duick, someone had signed her up for the campaign at YourOtherYou.com, a web site set up for the prank. The campaign was aimed at 20-something males because the company’s advertising firm, Saatchi & Saatchi LA, determined that the demographic loves to punk their friends.

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“Even when you get several stages in, it’s still looking pretty real,” Saatchi creative director Alex Flint said about the campaign in 2008. “I think even the most cynical, anti-advertising guy will appreciate the depth and length to which we’ve gone.”

“appreciate”? I don’t think that word means what you think it means, Alex.


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  1. Damn. And I used to like Toyota.

  2. Don’t forget Saatchi & Saatchi, the ad agency involved. They brought us Mrs. Thatcher. Not that anyone used to like them. Well, apart from those who the Thatcher era made rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

  3. If this played out as explained, she must have be horribly frightened. Would that farkwit have wanted to have this happen to his mother (presuming him to have had one)?

Angry Birds Live

Posted on June 11th, 2011 at 9:26 by Paul Jay in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself


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  1. When (and if) AT&T completes the T-Mobile buy, it will be the end to any creativity (as well as decent service)

Dirt Devil

Posted on June 8th, 2011 at 17:24 by Paul Jay in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself


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Logo Mashups

Posted on June 8th, 2011 at 14:45 by Paul Jay in category: Great Picture, If you're in marketing, kill yourself

Brand Reversions, Brand identities with split personalities.


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Madison Ave. Declares ‘Mass Affluence’ Over

Posted on June 2nd, 2011 at 15:50 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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Taking inflation into account, Ad Age goes on to explain, the “incomes of most American workers have remained more or less static since the 1970s,” while “the income of the rich (and the very rich) has grown exponentially.”

The top 10 percent of American households, the trade journal adds, now account for nearly half of all consumer spending, and a disproportionate share of that spending comes from the top 10’s upper reaches.

“Simply put,” sums up Ad Age’s David Hirschman, “a small plutocracy of wealthy elites drives a larger and larger share of total consumer spending and has outsize purchasing influence — particularly in categories such as technology, financial services, travel, automotive, apparel, and personal care.”

[..]

Targeting this $100,000 to $200,000 cohort, the new Ad Age report contends, no longer makes particularly good marketing sense. These consumers don’t “feel rich” today and won’t likely “graduate into affluence later on.”

Only under-35s who make between $100,000 and $200,000, says Ad Age, will likely make that graduation. This under-35 “emerging” tier will have “a far greater chance of eventually crossing the golden threshold of $200,000 than those who achieve household income of $100,000 later in life.”

So that’s it. If you want to be a successful advertising exec in a deeply unequal America, start studying up on 20-somethings making over $100,000 a year.


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  1. It strikes me that the problem here isn’t with the marketing professionals.

  2. Quite.

  3. So maybe you need a new tag for this… let’s see.. maybe… If You’re In Wealth Accumulation And You’re Good At It, Kill Yourself?

  4. Is that a Bill Hicks quote too?

  5. Ah, sorry, I didn’t know that was a requirement for tags.

    According to Google search autocomplete, the top hit for “If you’re rich…” is “If you’re rich I’m single”. Might not be what you’re looking for. :)

  6. Not really, no…

  7. This is so meta, it almost disappears up it’s own arse.
    Making it sound like earning $100K is poverty – poor them, they can only afford one house, two cars and a golf club membership. At what point is the host organism so imperiled that the parasites leave? (I just wish we had a ‘B’ Ark.)

    Forgive me, I’m giddy from paint fumes, painting the mast of my yacht.

  8. @Sue: I don’t think it’s very meta. It’s right along the lines of that Chicago prof who blogged that he didn’t feel rich and was going to feel pinched if the tax cuts for >$250k were to expire. A lot of these people live in expensive cities, have kids in private schools and/or a nanny, and other costs that keeps their burn rate high. They don’t feel “truly rich” in part because they see plenty of things they can’t afford. It’s basically inflation on what’s consdered to be upper middle class and what’s nouveau riche. Yelling at these people for lack of perspective only works if it comes from their peers, I think.

    Anyway, the point of the Ad Age analysis seems to be that those people in the $100-200k bracket tend to commit much of their income to spending that’s less disgressionary than the stuff these luxury brand managers want to peddle.

Never Obsolete

Posted on May 7th, 2011 at 7:45 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself


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This Tech Bubble Is Different

Posted on April 18th, 2011 at 9:04 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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"The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads,"

Apart from those sitting around at investment banks coming up with mathematic models to game the financial system, of course.


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  1. What the author considers to be “the best minds,” I consider to be merely clever but enormously avaricious minds.

Name these brands / plants

Posted on April 15th, 2011 at 10:24 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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  1. Uhm, the corporate logos are designed to be recognizable while the leaves are designed to absorb sunlight and closely resemble dozens of similar trees. The implication that they should be equally nameable is silly.

  2. recognizing plants (and if you can eat them or not) is an evolutionary survival skill, and deeply engrained in your brain. Recognizing brands is not.

  3. The comments on this site have gone way downhill. Argument for argument’s sake :(

  4. If you look for different species of plants, you will see that there are several plants that can fit most of the shapes. I encourage you to put a picture with shapes of common fruits, vegetables or animals. I do not agree that recognizing plants is an evolutionary survival skill. Before eating a plant you would look for a similar animal eating it. In case of a group only part of the group eats them, and the knowledge is passed among group members.

    I agree with Desiato comment, in addition once a logo is created, it is registered and if another logo is “similar” and can be confused it is protected by law. They naturally differ.

  5. Ditto what SM said: try having people name some fruit, the part that actually plays a role in their lives.

  6. Or, to argue for arguing sake: I can recognize just fine that none of those plant bits pictured above are useful to eat, thank you very much! Next? :-)

  7. Funny. As a hiker, I could give you some good guesses as to the plants, but the degree of detail in the sketches is pretty lacking. Obvious is maple leaf, alder leaf, and oak leaf. The conifer is likely pine, but could be cedar. The branch with opposite leaves could be any one of a thousand species, and the teardrop leaf is also too general.
    To concur with the above comments: none of these is likely to be much use in survival (for food, at least). Obviously, you could try to look for edible seeds from certain pines, acorns from oaks, or berry-like fruit from some species of alder, but you’re more likely to notice the actual edible item than the leaf. The leaf could be used for verification.
    (Also in the case where you’re looking for food, you’ll be seeing the actual leaves, which will make IDing them much, much easier.)

  8. Having posted this; I am just thrilled that plants rhymes with brands.

  9. It is weird that we can’t name what’s around us. I guess a hundred years ago most people could name the plants. We are quite detached these days.

Free mortgage if you make your home into an Adzookie ad

Posted on April 9th, 2011 at 7:37 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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Startup advertising firm Adzookie has latched on to a high-profile way to publicize itself: by turning homes into massive billboards.

In exchange, Adzookie says it will pay the house owner’s mortgage every month for as long as the home stays painted.


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  1. Crikey! I bet that goes down well with the neighbours.

MediaPost Publications Apple’s Safari Browser Gives Search Marketers Headaches

Posted on March 20th, 2011 at 14:52 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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Apple’s dominance on tablets and smartphones presents a threat to accurately measure and optimize the performance of paid-search marketing campaigns.

Search firm Marin Software published a white paper Tuesday based on findings and unanswered questions surrounding Apple’s iOS platform. The report identifies Safari, the primary browser for iOS devices, as a major challenge because it blocks third-party cookies by default, making it difficult for ad servers, tracking systems, and ad management tools to link visitors to ads that brought them to the Web site.

Boo hoo hoo.


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  1. I’m sure Apple’s own ad service doesn’t look at the UDID.

Chicago’s O’Hare Airport Now Blessed With Bathroom Mirrors That Play Commercials

Posted on February 10th, 2011 at 15:19 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself

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Besides death and taxes, here’s another thing you can always count on in life. Somehow, someone, somewhere will find a way to make flying and airports even more intolerable.

[..]

When someone is washing their hands or shaving or something, the bathroom mirrors work as expected. But when no one is standing in front of the sink, the mirrors switch to showing full-screen ads.


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  1. Sucking up ever more electricity is great for global warming, too!

The Force

Posted on February 3rd, 2011 at 6:32 by John Sinteur in category: Funny!, If you're in marketing, kill yourself


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How to Make Trillions of Dollars

Posted on January 29th, 2011 at 10:16 by John Sinteur in category: If you're in marketing, kill yourself, Quote

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[Our economy] demands that we make consumption our way of life, that we convert the buying and use of goods into rituals, that we seek our spiritual satisfactions, our ego satisfactions, in consumption. The measure of social status, of social acceptance, of prestige, is now to be found in our consumptive patterns [...] We need things consumed, burned up, worn out, replaced, and discarded at an ever increasing pace. We need to have people eat, drink, dress, ride, live, with ever more complicated and, therefore, constantly more expensive consumption.

~American retail analyst Victor Lebow


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  1. Interestingly, written in 1955.

    You post this and judging by the tagging blame consumerism on marketing. That’s all well and good, but I’d be curious what the proposed alternative is. Consumption generates jobs. If people buy less stuff, how are the makers of that stuff going to make a living and escape poverty? Economic growth tends to raise the median standard of living (except when it just increases inequal distribution of wealth as currently in the US)–how do you raise the standard of living for people & enroll them in the economy without increasing consumption of stuff?

  2. You’re addressing the “we need things consumed” part. All good and fine, but how about the “burned up, worn out, replaced, and discarded at an ever increasing pace” part? Do we really need to destroy in order to have a raised standard of living?

  3. It’s hard to compete with “new is cheaper than repair”. We need more externalities to be priced into the production of stuff–things like the cost of carbon emissions from the production process, pollution generated, cost of recycling or other end of life disposal, etc etc.

    I raised the question because I find it disappointing when you post these things and just point a finger at Evil Marketing without any hint of deeper insight or constructive comment. I find that it gives your blog a nasty aftertaste.

  4. And I refuse to do all the thinking for my readers, so you’ll find that this will happen again and again.

    And you’re absolutely correct on the externalities, of course.

  5. @Desiato: You are cought in the tunnel-vision that consumerism works. Name me one animal on this planet that is also producing and consuming like we do, and worried about ‘improving their standard of living’. Now name me one animal that doesn’t, and really should because it would then be able to make a living and escape poverty.
    Do you see your reasoning is circular? How do you escape poverty without consuming? Poverty is the result of consuming as a goal in itself, it is by definition the problem of not being able to consume enough. There is no need to ‘raise the standard of living’ if you don’t compare based on consumption.
    You will only be able to see any of the many alternatives if you let go of the consumption-is-the-answer reasoning. In times where ‘to consume’ has almost become a belief being preached through the channels of marketing, this can be difficult.

  6. @Jim: I don’t understand the comparison with other animals. Name one animal that’s concerned with justice, with the poverty of others, with the structure of their society. Animals hunt and forage. We’ve gone beyond that phase. Our ethics and morality are what *distinguishes* us from other animals.

    You may mis-understand what I mean by consumption. I don’t mean that everyone has to have an Xbox, a Gucci handbag, or a botox treatment. I mean it in the more general economic sense. Consumption includes basic needs like housing, food, clothes.

    Also, we may have different ideas about poverty. You seem to think that poverty is just consuming less than other people or than what’s considered normal. I think poverty is not a lack of consumption at the Xbox level. Poverty is a lack of basic needs. Outside a communist or heavily socialist system [1], you escape poverty by obtaining the means to consume the goods that fulfill your basic needs.

    I’d think a fair society would strive to enable a maximum number of people to rise out of poverty. You can do that through welfare hand-outs (forced income redistribution), or by enabling people to participate in the economy through work. Either way, the economy has to be large enough to produce enough income for all those people. To have a large enough economy, enough goods have to be produced and consumed. Right?

    [1] We’ve established through experiment that we don’t know how to make communism and socialism work out well, right? If you feel like those systems are the right way to a fair society, we’re probably talking past each other.

  7. @John: RE: “I refuse to do all the thinking for my readers”

    You seem to be saying that if you were to provide thoughtful analysis or commentary, your readers would stop thinking for yourself. Conversely, by putting out unsupported controversial stuff, you stimulate them to think for themselves.

    That’s kind of like saying Fox News is the greatest gift to mankind ever.

  8. I meant “stop thinking for themselves”, of course.

  9. No, I’m only saying it’s not my goal to provide thoughtful analysis or commentary. You’ll have to do that yourself. This weblog isn’t called “The Daily Thoughtful Posting”.

  10. Sometimes it’s more like The Daily I Hate Marketers and Bankers. :)

  11. I see you finally understand :-)

  12. Nah, just taking a break from complaining that I think you’re being unfair in the way you’re giving airtime to stories about unfairness. It seems hypocritical to me.

  13. Oh wait, I forgot I was taking a break. Sorry. :)

  14. It seems hypocritical to me.

    Only if I refused to give you airtime to say so :-)


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