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Corruption in Iraq: ‘Your son is being tortured. He will die if you don’t pay’

Posted on January 16th, 2012 at 18:31 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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“You pay $300,000 to buy a post as a security chief or military commander of a neighbourhood for a year and you have to get your money back. It’s like an investment. But you can never trust anyone in this country – they take your money and a year later they conspire against you and throw you in jail. They are like wolves.”

One of his subordinates explained how the officers procured their positions. “The commander of the district buys his post from the politicians or the office of the commander-in-chief. Then the commander rents the post of interrogation officer to his juniors for $10,000 to $15,000 per month, depending on the area. For a Sunni neighbourhood you have to pay a lot of money; for Shia not that much, because most of the arrests take place in the Sunni areas. Then you get your money back from the detainee.

“Sometimes you get really lucky and actually detain someone who is in al-Qaida, and then you can get your full investment in one go: you arrange for him to escape for half a million dollars.”


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  1. Sounds like the same capitalism that we have in the US.

Prisoner Machine Guns His Captors & Cameraman With Weapon from Corpse

Posted on December 14th, 2011 at 18:17 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Kuwaiti prisoner Awdh Al-Shimri caught by Iraqi and US soldiers is made to clean out his dead comrades’ corpses when he finds a machine gun. He promptly uses it on his captors crippling or killing the cameraman. Voices are heard talking in Iraqi Arabic and US English.


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The We-Are-At-War! mentality

Posted on December 5th, 2011 at 18:39 by Desiato in category: Mess O'Potamia, News

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Obama DOJ lawyer Marty Lederman, for instance, announced: because of secrecy powers, “we’re in armed conflicts with some groups the American public doesn’t know we’re in armed conflict with“.


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  1. “The American public?” A lot of them don’t really seem to be informed about reality anyway. What can he mean?

  2. For best effect, assume he means the ones who are well-informed…

  3. The only groups they might be in armed conflict with, that truly represent a threat to the American WOL, and that most people would be surprised about, are bankers.

Michele Bachmann Says Iraq Should Reimburse U.S. For War Expenses

Posted on October 24th, 2011 at 9:24 by John Sinteur in category: ¿ʞɔnɟ ǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ, Mess O'Potamia

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You know how every time Michele Bachmann opens her mouth it’s kind of exciting because you never know what’s going to come out, but then it’s also terrifying because you’re worried whatever she says will be taken seriously? Well, brace yourselves because today she’s dropped a real doozy: she thinks the people of Iraq should pay us back for all of the money we spent invading them.


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  1. Why stop there? They should go and demand the same thing from Vietnam – corrected with inflation and of course applying the interest.
    Also the Philippines and Korea – South Korea most likely.

  2. Maybe Cheney and Rumsfeld should be reimbursing us. They’re the ones who distorted the intelligence.

  3. Ah…so hard to collect from Iraq when you’ve already delivered the service for which you want payment (and they have a fair amount of oil resources that you need).

    Better to threaten that if the world doesn’t pay you, you won’t invade them.

  4. Sue, did you mean to say, “Better to threaten that if the world doesn’t pay you, you WILL invade them”?

  5. lol…Ms. B. always reminds me of Doug and Dinsdale Piranha.

These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…

Posted on September 27th, 2011 at 14:12 by John Sinteur in category: Great Picture, Mess O'Potamia


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The $113 Billion Hole: Ten Things America Gave Up This Year To Pay For The War In Afghanistan

Posted on June 21st, 2011 at 11:48 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Using data from the National Priorities Project, ThinkProgress calculated ten investments America could’ve afforded if it didn’t spend $113 billion — the allotment made in Fiscal Year 2011 — on the war in Afghanistan. Each one of these policy options represents an equivalent $113 billion cost:

– Provide 57.5 Million Children With Low-Income Health Care For 2011

– Provide 23 Million People With Low-Income Health Coverage In 2011

– Give 20.2 Million $5,500 Pell Grants To Students In 2011

– Provide 14.35 million Military Veterans With VA Medical Care In 2011

– Give 14.7 million Children Head Start Funding In 2011

– Give 14.26 Million Scholarships To University Students In 2011

– Employ 1.93 million Firefighters In 2011

– Hire 1.75 Million Elementary School Teachers In 2011

– Hire 1.65 Million Police Officers In 2011

– Equip 67.8 Million Households With The Ability To Use Wind Power In 2011

– Equip 25.39 Million Households With The Ability To Use Solar Photovoltaic Energy In 2011


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  1. And, do you think that the corporations that profit from this really care?

Secret memos expose link between oil firms and invasion of Iraq

Posted on April 19th, 2011 at 14:19 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Plans to exploit Iraq’s oil reserves were discussed by government ministers and the world’s largest oil companies the year before Britain took a leading role in invading Iraq, government documents show.

The papers, revealed here for the first time, raise new questions over Britain’s involvement in the war, which had divided Tony Blair’s cabinet and was voted through only after his claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.


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  1. Sounds like a bunch of war criminals in a criminal conspiracy.

Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war

Posted on February 15th, 2011 at 18:13 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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The defector who convinced the White House that Iraq had a secret biological weapons programme has admitted for the first time that he lied about his story, then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war.


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Iraq war logs

Posted on October 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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“Hundreds of the leaked war logs reflect the fertile imagination of the torturer faced with the entirely helpless victim – bound, gagged, blindfolded and isolated – who is whipped by men in uniforms using wire cables, metal rods, rubber hoses, wooden stakes, TV antennae, plastic water pipes, engine fan belts or chains.”

Today, WikiLeaks released hundreds of thousands of documents that give insight into what coalition forces experienced from 2004 to 2009.

From the official leak site, WikiLeaks claims the logs account for “109,032 deaths in Iraq, comprised of 66,081 ‘civilians’; 23,984 ‘enemy’ (those labeled as insurgents); 15,196 ‘host nation’ (Iraqi government forces) and 3,771 ‘friendly’ (coalition forces).”

A standing order, known as Frago 242, directed coalition military personnel that no investigations were necessary if an Iraqi citizen was being tortured by an Iraqi official. Though coalition troops in many cases tried to persuade Iraqi officials to reprimand their security forces for torture, often times the Iraqis simply covered it up, and in one log were heard to say, “keep quiet because the Americans might hear his screams”.

Coverage at:

The Guardian
Al Jazeera
New York Times


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Obama’s robot wars endanger us all

Posted on October 18th, 2010 at 17:09 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Imagine if, an hour from now, a robot-plane swooped over your house and blasted it to pieces. The plane has no pilot. It is controlled with a joystick from 7,000 miles away, sent by the Pakistani military to kill you. It blows up all the houses in your street, and so barbecues your family and your neighbours until there is nothing left to bury but a few charred slops. Why? They refuse to comment. They don’t even admit the robot-planes belong to them. But they tell the Pakistani newspapers back home it is because one of you was planning to attack Pakistan. How do they know? Somebody told them. Who? You don’t know, and there are no appeals against the robot.

Now imagine it doesn’t end there: these attacks are happening every week somewhere in your country. They blow up funerals and family dinners and children. The number of robot-planes in the sky is increasing every week. You discover they are named "Predators", or "Reapers" – after the Grim Reaper. No matter how much you plead, no matter how much you make it clear you are a peaceful civilian getting on with your life, it won’t stop. What do you do? If there was a group arguing that Pakistan was an evil nation that deserved to be violently attacked, would you now start to listen?


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Last US combat brigade exits Iraq

Posted on August 19th, 2010 at 9:43 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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The last US combat brigade in Iraq has left the country, seven years after the US-led invasion.

The 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, began crossing by land into Kuwait in the early hours of Thursday, a military spokesman said.

Some 50,000 US troops will remain until the end of 2011 to advise Iraqi forces and protect US interests.

A further 6,000 support troops will be in Iraq until the end of the month, when US combat operations will end.


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  1. So here we are full-circle. We started off the Viet Nam war with troops called “advisors.” I don’t think anyone was fooled that time around either.

  2. The last combat troops have left, but combat won’t end until the end of the month and is apparently being carried out by “support troops”? Buh?

New criticism for GOP chair Steel follows Afghan war comments

Posted on July 3rd, 2010 at 6:31 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC) drew criticism and a call for his resignation Friday after saying at a party fundraiser that the United States was on the wrong side of history with its conflict in Afghanistan, a military fight he called "a war of Obama’s choosing."

"This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in," Steele said in a speech Thursday night in Connecticut in which he slammed President Obama’s military strategy.

"It was the president who was trying to be (too) cute by half by flipping a script demonizing Iraq, while saying the battle really should be in Afghanistan," Steele said, according to a video of his remarks that was circulated by Democrats on Friday. "Well, if he’s such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that’s the one thing you don’t do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan?"

Steele, seeking to clarify his remarks, said Friday afternoon that, "There is no question that America must win the war on terror."

He did not, however, correct his factual error about the war’s start.

I’d wonder how many people in the US would answer “Obama” when asked “who started the war in Afghanistan?”….


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  1. And he started it in Iraq too. Didn’t you know? They brain controlled Bush

The Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight.

Posted on April 17th, 2010 at 14:31 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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For several years, Afghan police recruits under the tutelage of private U.S. government contractors couldn’t understand why their marksmanship never improved.

The answer became clear earlier this year. Italian contractors also helping to train Afghan volunteers showed them that the sights on their AK-47s and M-16s had never been adjusted.

“We’re paying somebody to teach these people to shoot these weapons, and nobody ever bothered to check their sights?” Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri said, after relating that story at a hearing Thursday.

To McCaskill, who chaired the hearing of the Senate Contracting Oversight panel, it illustrated why the U.S. has spent more than $6 billion on private contractors, but the police-training program remains rife with problems.

“It is an unbelievable, incompetent story of contracts,” she said. “For eight years we have been supposed training the police in Afghanistan. We’ve flushed $6 billion.”


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Iraq War Vet: “We Were Told to Just Shoot People, and the Officers Would Take Care of Us”

Posted on April 9th, 2010 at 10:34 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Kelly Dougherty – then executive director of Iraq Veterans Against the War – blamed the behavior of soldiers in Iraq on policies of the US government.

“The abuses committed in the occupations, far from being the result of a ‘few bad apples’ misbehaving, are the result of our government’s Middle East policy, which is crafted in the highest spheres of US power,” she said.


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  1. Familiar somehow…”I was only obeying orders!”

    Someone (Len Deighton?) once summed up that part of the Geneva Conventions as “Only legal orders need to be obeyed.”

Wikileaks: More background material on Iraq massacre leak

Posted on April 6th, 2010 at 7:44 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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An update on that video released earlier today by Wikileaks, which shows US occupying forces shooting and killing civilians—including two Reuters journalists—in Baghdad. Wikileaks has released additional photographs and video that provide more background. These include interviews with survivors of the attack: a widow and her two children. And, above, one of the last two photos taken by war photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen before he was shot by American airmen during the 2007 incident.


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New Fraud Cases Point to Lapses in Iraq Projects

Posted on March 14th, 2010 at 14:56 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Investigators looking into corruption involving reconstruction in Iraq say they have opened more than 50 new cases in six months by scrutinizing large cash transactions — involving banks, land deals, loan payments, casinos and even plastic surgery — made by some of the Americans involved in the nearly $150 billion program.

Some of the cases involve people who are suspected of having mailed tens of thousands of dollars to themselves from Iraq, or of having stuffed the money into duffel bags and suitcases when leaving the country, the federal investigators said. In other cases, millions of dollars were moved through wire transfers. Suspects then used cash to buy BMWs, Humvees and expensive jewelry, or to pay off enormous casino debts.


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Iraq Opens Up to Foreign Oil Majors

Posted on March 6th, 2010 at 9:48 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Western producers haven’t had access to oil fields in southern Iraq since 1972, when the country nationalized production including concessions owned by the companies now known as BP, Royal Dutch Shell Plc and Exxon.

The contracts awarded in two auctions, which pay a per-barrel fee for development work rather than granting a share in the production itself, will cost the companies a total of about $100 billion to develop deposits, Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani said in December. Iraq, with the world’s third-largest oil reserves, will earn about $200 billion a year.

A group led by BP, which vies with Shell as Europe’s largest oil company, will receive $2 billion per year in fees to develop the Rumaila field. A Shell-led group will get $913 million and a group led by Exxon, the largest U.S. oil company, will receive $1.6 billion per year. Each calculation is based on the agreed-to per-barrel fee times the maximum production level.

Well them time for a banner:


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“I will probably be found dead in the woods” Boing Boing

Posted on January 25th, 2010 at 8:35 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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A 2003 BBC story cast doubt on claims that Iraq could deploy WMDs within 45 minutes. UN weapons inspector David Kelly, revealed as the source, died mysteriously shortly thereafter. It seemed that if foul play was involved, it was the extensive public hounding that led to his apparent suicide. By imposing a 70 year gag on evidence relating to his death, however, the British government perhaps reveals more than a state secret could ever hide.


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Tony Blair admits: I would have invaded Iraq anyway

Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 11:55 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Tony Blair has said he would have invaded Iraq even without evidence of weapons of mass destruction and would have found a way to justify the war to parliament and the public.

The former prime minister made the confession during an interview with Fern Britton, to be broadcast on Sunday on BBC1, in which he said he would still have thought it right to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

“If you had known then that there were no WMDs, would you still have gone on?” Blair was asked. He replied: “I would still have thought it right to remove him [Saddam Hussein]“.


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Company Charged in $8B Troop Food Fraud

Posted on November 16th, 2009 at 21:12 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia, Robber Barons

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A company paid more than $8 billion by the United States military to feed soldiers in Iraq, Kuwait and Jordan has been charged with fraud.

Public Warehousing Company, a Kuwaiti company now known as Agility is alleged to have overbilled the United States in its contract to distribute food to soldiers. CBS News reported on the ongoing investigation two years ago

“This indictment is the result of a multi-year probe into abuses in vendor contracts in the Middle East involving the illegal inflation of prices in contracts to feed our troops,” said Criminal Chief F. Gentry Shelnutt, the current Acting U.S. Attorney for the case.


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Another bank failure

Posted on November 14th, 2009 at 11:38 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia


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U.S. Adviser to Kurds Stands to Reap Oil Profits

Posted on November 13th, 2009 at 12:20 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia, Robber Barons

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Peter W. Galbraith, an influential former American ambassador, is a powerful voice on Iraq who helped shape the views of policy makers like Joseph R. Biden Jr. and John Kerry. In the summer of 2005, he was also an adviser to the Kurdish regional government as Iraq wrote its Constitution — tough and sensitive talks not least because of issues like how Iraq would divide its vast oil wealth.

Now Mr. Galbraith, 58, son of the renowned economist John Kenneth Galbraith, stands to earn perhaps a hundred million or more dollars as a result of his closeness to the Kurds, his relations with a Norwegian oil company and constitutional provisions he helped the Kurds extract.

In the constitutional negotiations, he helped the Kurds ram through provisions that gave their region — rather than the central Baghdad government — sole authority over many of their internal affairs, including clauses that he maintains will give the Kurds virtually complete control over all new oil finds on their territory.

Mr. Galbraith, widely viewed in Washington as a smart and bold foreign policy expert, has always described himself as an unpaid adviser to the Kurds, although he has spoken in general terms about having business interests in Kurdistan, as the north of Iraq is known.

So it came as a shock to many last month when a group of Norwegian investigative journalists at the newspaper Dagens Naeringsliv began publishing documents linking Mr. Galbraith to a specific Norwegian oil company with major contracts in Iraq.

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Some officials say that his financial ties could raise serious questions about the integrity of the constitutional negotiations themselves. “The idea that an oil company was participating in the drafting of the Iraqi Constitution leaves me speechless,” said Feisal Amin al-Istrabadi, a principal drafter of the law that governed Iraq after the United States ceded control to an Iraqi government on June 28, 2004.


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American Soldier Photos

Posted on November 4th, 2009 at 10:06 by John Sinteur in category: Great Picture, Mess O'Potamia

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This is how an American soldier is made.

For 27 months, Ian Fisher, his parents and friends, and the U.S. Army allowed Denver Post reporters and a photographer to watch and chronicle his recruitment, induction, training, deployment, and, finally, his return from combat. A selection of photos from Ian’s journey are posted below.

The story was written by Kevin Simpson with Michael Riley and Bruce Finley. It was reported by Riley in Colorado and at Fort Benning, Ga., Finley at Fort Carson and in Iraq, and photographer Craig F. Walker throughout.

The multimedia project, including all the photos, video and special features, can be viewed at www.denverpost.com/americansoldier.

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June 24, 2007. 8:27 a.m. Day Three of basic training: The new soldiers are issued their M-16s. Ian held his awkwardly at first until receiving instructions. Then he became playful – after the drill sergeant passed – quietly making machine-gun noises as he pretended to fire.


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  1. A few impressions:

    - great photos, technically excellent reportage
    - lacking descriptions, mixed up sorting and some factual errors.
    - horrible hidden message. The guy leaves as a boy with a troublesome family and an ugly GF, passes through some ”tough love”, and come back as a grown man, with parents cheering ad a hottie as a wife. Yeah, as if it’s like that for everyone of them (or for any of them).

Blackwater Founder Implicated in Murder

Posted on August 5th, 2009 at 14:58 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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A former Blackwater employee and an ex-US Marine who has worked as a security operative for the company have made a series of explosive allegations in sworn statements filed on August 3 in federal court in Virginia. The two men claim that the company’s owner, Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals who were cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. The former employee also alleges that Prince “views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe,” and that Prince’s companies “encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life.”

In their testimony, both men also allege that Blackwater was smuggling weapons into Iraq. One of the men alleges that Prince turned a profit by transporting “illegal” or “unlawful” weapons into the country on Prince’s private planes. They also charge that Prince and other Blackwater executives destroyed incriminating videos, emails and other documents and have intentionally deceived the US State Department and other federal agencies. The identities of the two individuals were sealed out of concerns for their safety.


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  1. As an American, I am simply ashamed….

    I hope the world knows, or comes to know, that the personalities and the events of this millennium do not represent or typify the beliefs of all Americans. I can’t even guess how long it will take to undo the damage done 2001-2009.

  2. As an American, I feel the whole Wolfowitz Gang and all their cronies from Oval Office on down to their Blackwater jackbooted death squads should be in prison for crimes against humanity.

    The line taken by the Obama administration that lawfully prosecuting lawbreakers in the previous administration would make us a “Banana Republic” as each administration goes after the previous one, is incredibly wrong. We are not talking about the typical bribery and corruption that goes on in Washington, we are talking about high crimes on an unprecedented scale in U.S. history, of wholesale torture, murder and lying to the public in order to conquer a nation that was not responsible for the attacks of 9/11, when their real agenda was stealing the second-largest oil reserve in the world destabilizing the entire region so the American Empire could dominate it.

    If I am ashamed of anything it is how the Congress and current President are trying to sweep it all under the rug and move on, rather than seeking the truth and justice.

History Repeats Itself, Painfully So

Posted on July 6th, 2009 at 15:34 by John Sinteur in category: Cartoon, Mess O'Potamia

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A 1922 political cartoon on the British invasion of Iraq.


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  1. Those who don’t learn from history…

Saddam Hussein Said WMD Talk Helped Him Look Strong to Iran

Posted on July 2nd, 2009 at 17:14 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Saddam Hussein told an FBI interviewer before he was hanged that he allowed the world to believe he had weapons of mass destruction because he was worried about appearing weak to Iran, according to declassified accounts of the interviews released yesterday. The former Iraqi president also denounced Osama bin Laden as “a zealot” and said he had no dealings with al-Qaeda.

Hussein, in fact, said he felt so vulnerable to the perceived threat from “fanatic” leaders in Tehran that he would have been prepared to seek a “security agreement with the United States to protect [Iraq] from threats in the region.”

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At one point, Hussein dismissed as a fantasy the many intelligence reports that said he used a body double to elude assassination. “This is movie magic, not reality,” he said with a laugh. Instead, he said, he had used a phone only twice since 1990 and rarely slept in the same location two days in a row.

Hussein’s fear of Iran, which he said he considered a greater threat than the United States, featured prominently in the discussion about weapons of mass destruction. Iran and Iraq had fought a grinding eight-year war in the 1980s, and Hussein said he was convinced that Iran was trying to annex southern Iraq — which is largely Shiite. “Hussein viewed the other countries in the Middle East as weak and could not defend themselves or Iraq from an attack from Iran,” Piro recounted in his summary of a June 11, 2004, conversation.

“The threat from Iran was the major factor as to why he did not allow the return of UN inspectors,” Piro wrote. “Hussein stated he was more concerned about Iran discovering Iraq’s weaknesses and vulnerabilities than the repercussions of the United States for his refusal to allow UN inspectors back into Iraq.”


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Bush Told Journalist in 1999 “I’m Going to Invade Iraq”

Posted on June 3rd, 2009 at 19:07 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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Two years before the 9/11 attacks on America, George W. Bush told a Houston journalist if elected president, “I’m going to invade Iraq.”

Bush made the comments about starting an aggressive war to veteran Houston Chronicle reporter Mickey Herskowitz, then working with Bush on his book “A Charge To Keep,” later brought out by publisher William Morrow.

This disclosure was uncovered by Russ Baker, an award-winning investigative reporter when he interviewed Herskowitz for his own book, “Family of Secrets” (Bloomsbury Press) about the Bush dynasty. However, Baker says, when he approached The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times with the potentially devastating story to President Bush prior to the 2004 presidential election, they declined to publish it.

In a new book, “Media In Crisis”(Doukathsan), Baker quotes Herskowitz as telling him: “He (Bush) said he wanted to do it(invade Iraq), and the reason he wanted to do it is he had been led to understand that you could not really have a successful presidency unless you were seen as commander-in-chief, unless you were seen as waging a war.”


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  1. “…unless you were seen as waging a war” A dangerous moron’s view of the world. Even Apes have more sense.

  2. You don’t need to go back as far as 1999. His 2001 inauguration speech hinted that he was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq.

  3. And this should come as a surprise?

Heads in the Sand

Posted on May 20th, 2009 at 7:06 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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The so-called Sunni Awakening, in which American forces formed tactical alliances with local sheikhs, has been credited with dampening the insurgency in much of Iraq. But new evidence suggests that the Sunnis were offering the same deal as early as 2004—one that was eagerly embraced by commanders on the ground, but rejected out of hand at the highest levels of the Bush administration.


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Show me the difference

Posted on May 10th, 2009 at 21:36 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia, Pastafarian News

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  1. The one on the right is a woman.
    And she will blow herself up when she is surrounded by civilians, preferably children.

  2. Granted. But the ones on the left will call in air support which will take out a whole village – so what’s the difference?

  3. The one on the right is at least willing to read the book of mythology and fairy tales in its original language, assuming she actually, you know, reads it.

  4. Seriously, John? Seems a bit of a troll.

  5. @Irene if you don’t know, then I won’t argue with you.

  6. @maarten: of course – what other posts generate 5 comments in just a few hours over here. On the other hand, for it to be an effective bit of a troll, there has to be a point beneath it all. And it’s an obvious one: as a non-US citizen, I find the idea of a bible toting US soldier just as scary as a koran toting suicide bomber.

  7. i don’t suppose it makes you feel any better that one of them is under the sway of religious fanatics with warped morals while the other is merely under the control of corporate interests with no moral compulsions whatsoever?

  8. I think that if Marx were alive today, he would have said “Religion is the crack cocaine and PCP of the masses”! Instead of leading them into a stupor like opium, it leads people to unspeakable crimes against nature and the rest of humanity without regard for anything but their own warped aggrandizement. That’s why I zip around in my space ship, to get away from these idiots!

  9. Some of the guys wearing the uniforms on the left also carry Korans, Torahs, diaries, and letters from home. And if you’re not a threat, the guys on the left will shake your hand. The one on the right has one purpose only. If you’re a bad guy, one of these images scares you more than the other. If you’re a good guy, one of these images scares you more than the other. It’s really not that hard.

  10. And if you’re not a threat AND you also happen to be a 14 year old girl, the guys on the left will rape you and kill your family, just out of extra friendliness. :)

  11. Smiley face? That asshole disgraced his uniform and his country and is facing a possible death sentence. Just go ahead and embrace that image on the right. Not as good as a flu shot but almost.

  12. @spaceman spiff:
    “I think that if Marx were alive today, ”

    Marx called religion the opium of the poor for it soothes the pain and makes life easier for them. He was referring to the medicinal use of the opium.
    The “it will make you stupid” interpretation was made by the soviet leaders, starting with Stalin.

Torture? It probably killed more Americans than 9/11

Posted on April 26th, 2009 at 13:48 by John Sinteur in category: Mess O'Potamia

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The use of torture by the US has proved so counter-productive that it may have led to the death of as many US soldiers as civilians killed in 9/11, says the leader of a crack US interrogation team in Iraq.

“The reason why foreign fighters joined al-Qa’ida in Iraq was overwhelmingly because of abuses at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib and not Islamic ideology,” says Major Matthew Alexander, who personally conducted 300 interrogations of prisoners in Iraq. It was the team led by Major Alexander [a named assumed for security reasons] that obtained the information that led to the US military being able to locate Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of al-Qa’ida in Iraq. Zarqawi was then killed by bombs dropped by two US aircraft on the farm where he was hiding outside Baghdad on 7 June 2006. Major Alexander said that he learnt where Zarqawi was during a six-hour interrogation of a prisoner with whom he established relations of trust.

Major Alexander’s attitude to torture by the US is a combination of moral outrage and professional contempt. “It plays into the hands of al-Qa’ida in Iraq because it shows us up as hypocrites when we talk about human rights,” he says. An eloquent and highly intelligent man with experience as a criminal investigator within the US military, he says that torture is ineffective, as well as counter-productive. “People will only tell you the minimum to make the pain stop,” he says. “They might tell you the location of a house used by insurgents but not that it is booby-trapped.”

In his compelling book How to Break a Terrorist, Major Alexander explains that prisoners subjected to abuse usually clam up, say nothing, or provide misleading information. In an interview he was particularly dismissive of the “ticking bomb” argument often used in the justification of torture. This supposes that there is a bomb timed to explode on a bus or in the street which will kill many civilians. The authorities hold a prisoner who knows where the bomb is. Should they not torture him to find out in time where the bomb is before it explodes?

Major Alexander says he faced the “ticking time bomb” every day in Iraq because “we held people who knew about future suicide bombings”. Leaving aside the moral arguments, he says torture simply does not work. “It hardens their resolve. They shut up.” He points out that the FBI uses normal methods of interrogation to build up trust even when they are investigating a kidnapping and time is of the essence. He would do the same, he says, “even if my mother was on a bus” with a hypothetical ticking bomb on board. It is quite untrue to imagine that torture is the fastest way of obtaining information, he says.


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